WTF Podcast

Episode 513 - Brian Frazer

Brian Frazer was known to Marc and his peers in the 1980s comedy scene as the bodybuilding comic. Turns out the layers of muscle mass obscured a fragile person dealing with a host of disorders. Brian tells Marc about his life-long struggles with control issues and rage, and how his true salvation came on four legs with a wagging tail. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace, CheapOair and Audible.

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Tania July 10, 2014 at 2:11 pm


Your comedian interviews are always my favorites, and now that I have been listening to you awhile it is so clear where your head is at listening to the intro & the direction you take the interview. While you are in self-analysis mode I suggest you check out the literature on highly-sensitive people. I wouldn’t be surprised if your more abrasive defense mechanisms root in sensitivity. Thumbnail test here: http://www.hsperson.com/pages/test.htm .
Also, alot of your guests tell you that mediitation & yoga help them. If you are williing to dip a toe I recommend an ashtanga vinyasa class. It might have the right combo of physicality, repetition, and spirituality to soothe your monkey brain. Smooches!
PS-any chance of ever having Joan Rivers? That would be the get of the year!

Dan Butler July 10, 2014 at 5:27 pm


My takeaway from this interview in that in Frazer’s perspective, one should self-medicate, despite never actually seeing a therapist, come up with bogus avoidance tactics (food (bananas are “evil”, stay away from churches/temples), and get a dog in order to avoid addressing the debilitating and very real psychological issues that this guy has going on.  Compelling interview, but I kinda walked away feeling bad for the guy.

Stuart July 10, 2014 at 5:43 pm


Best interview since Rebecca Corry although like the comment above, I wonder why on earth Frazer never went to a therapist. He seems like a nice guy but he’s clearly nuts.

Oregon Trail July 10, 2014 at 6:29 pm


Interesting test link above for highly sensitive people. Or,

it’s the checklist of what other people find annoying!

grind July 12, 2014 at 3:16 am


look.  i don’t want to be an asshole, but i just realized something.  eight tall budweisers
told me so. there seems to be an affinity to the song Mr. Jones by Counting Crows and
your entire life mission.  maybe i’m wrong but the dreads and fringe leather jacket at
half-mast, and raw expression seems to be a raw life affinity to you (and me).  like you
want that nakedness, that beautiful freedom of total personal truth.  hear me out:  have
you interviewed adam duritz?

a fan’s notes.

god bless.

Krista Harris July 13, 2014 at 8:28 pm


  This was a great interview. I love how real you both were about anger and rage and where they come from. You also seemed to be in a great place while you were on that hike and you were able to dispense wisdom and honesty which I among many other listeners appreciated more that you may even realize. I really look forward to seeing your show in Denver. Take care.

—Krista.

Justin July 14, 2014 at 2:39 am


It’s called anxiety. Panic attacks, social anxiety disorder. they used to call this things like ‘chronically shy’. Agorophobia, etc. EVERYTHING he describes is all part of the same exact good ole ‘worry’.
The solution (at least to start some improvement) happens when he declares to himself “Its YOU… It’s YOU doing it… nobody else.. nothing else.. its YOU doing it to yourself and only YOU”. something like that.
He will, almost overnight.. even instantly have a shocking (and extremely difficult yet liberating) incredible unstoppable journey away (even by tiny or large steps) but permanently further away from all those symptoms.

Lisa July 14, 2014 at 10:27 am


That was hard work.  I guess we need one of those episodes every once in a while to remind us how fabulous the rest of them are!  Good job, Marc, for sticking with that one—don’t think it was fun for you either!

Kate July 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm


Alright. I have two hard hitting, journalistic questions: what is this amazing bodhisattva wonder dog’s name and can we please see a picture? My google search was inconclusive and this dog sounds pretty fucking important. Let’s give credit where credit is due. This dog deserves public recognition, although I understand wanting to maintain his privacy if that’s the issue. Otherwise great interview. I especially enjoyed the parts about the bees and lizards. Maybe a nature special is in your future?

Van Hammersley July 15, 2014 at 12:24 pm


Wow, THAT was a little exhausting to get thru…

Marc, you were great (as usual), and did a fine job with this interview…but it seems Mr. Frazer might need to dig a little deeper and realize, as someone else commented, it just might be HIM and not all this other stuff that is at the root of his issues. Anxiety and fear man.

Interesting that he tried all these methods to get help (Cabala, Reiki, etc) , that never really pan out, but won’t try a good ol’ talk therapy session? It’s amazing what just digging deep, talking and letting it all out can do…been there, done that.

Sarah July 16, 2014 at 11:18 am


Gosh, this guy was so evasive. Hardly any straight answers or insight.

It’s like his anxiety even extended to having firm opinions about his emotions. He could only accept that his issues had impersonal causes: chemical imbalances, fast food. It’s a defense to constantly qualify your experience with “possibly” and “I don’t know” and “maybe.”

Mike M. July 17, 2014 at 10:34 am


This was painful to listen to, yet very interesting. I felt like I was sitting in on someone’s therapy session. There were a few moments when I wondered if Frazer was going to rage out from Marc’s questions. His answers, as previously mentioned, were somewhat evasive. I couldn’t tell if this was him doing it knowingly or if it’s a subconscious defense mechanism he has to avoid finding the truth about his issues.

Missed opportunities: How does Frazer’s wife feel about his issues and how he deals with them? How has this affected their relationship?
Toward the end, he admits to a fear of God. That’s gold and went relatively unexplored. He can’t be in churches for long. Does his fear of God manifest itself in other areas of his life? Were his parents afraid of God? Why is he afraid of God?

Like others, I left this interview feeling pretty sad for Fraser. He clearly has a lot of issues and seems to look for easy answers rather than do the hard thing and look internally (with the help of a legitimate professional). I wish him good luck in his journey to find peace.

smitty July 18, 2014 at 1:10 am


oh joy….. a fucking Zoloft Podformercial ... WTF dudes…Jewish penicillin in a pill,perchance?!

Mike July 18, 2014 at 2:47 pm


I bet Squarespace.com was thrilled to have their ad come after ten minutes of existential angst and hawks eating corpses…

jj July 19, 2014 at 12:17 am


Marc - I really enjoyed this interview.  It felt really raw and it reminded me of some of your earlier podcasts.  Just wanted to send you some encouragement.  Interviews like this are why I keep returning to your show.  Thanks.

Smitty July 19, 2014 at 3:59 am


Marc: how do you reduce the totality and complexity of a human being,to a sterile cold ad hoc script pad flip diagnosis?!  most of that stuff is a crock. even when and where it may make some sense,to automatically assume that a person can look at you, and determine you have “such and such”,is insane.  to my knowledge,i’m the only poster you’ve ever called out,yet many others have said volcanic nasty shit,and you’ve said nothing. i must touch a raw nerve with you,even though i’ve said a lot of empathetic stuff.  pharma/drugging out of people is a big issue in this country,and i’m not going to shut up while you casually play “son of a doc” on your pods.  maybe,you’re looking for a legal and less “conscience rending” way of still being able to get chemically fucked up.. be that food, nicotine lozenges/parches, or legal drugs.  at this point,if that bothers you i truly don’t give a shit.