WTF Podcast

Episode 478 - Annabelle Gurwitch

Annabelle Gurwitch and Marc are dealing with being on the other side of 50 in different ways. The comedic actress and author returns to the garage to tell Marc how she’s coping with being a mom to a teenage boy, why she’s feeling excluded from the culture and what she’s doing to find solace. This episode is sponsored by Sirens on USA Network, Warby Parker, Audible and Comedy Central


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Goy Who Likes Jews March 13, 2014 at 8:21 am

A couple months in to this new relationship and you’re already past the honeymoon and into ‘conflict resolution’ mode?

Well, just try harder to meet whatever expectations are upon you. I’m sure that will work and make both of you happy.

Greg March 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm

This was the first interview I’ve heard that felt uncomfortable. It just seemed like you were so annoyed with Annabelle the whole time. I know she could be annoying, but you were interrupting her and sort of rushing her to get to the point of her story in many instances. I know everyone has bad days, so maybe that was the case for you, but I did not enjoy this interview because of how weird the vibe was.

Jack March 13, 2014 at 6:43 pm

Sounds like she was just rehearsing bits the whole time.

Adam March 14, 2014 at 12:23 am

Jesus, that old lady was annoying.

Some Guy March 14, 2014 at 12:31 am

“You’re supposed to hate your mother”... What? I know it’s stereotypical that white people are disrespectful to their parents but this woman is @#$

Yasmin March 14, 2014 at 9:07 am

I have to agree with Greg, Marc.
You seemed really disrespectful towards her, and I’m not sure why.
It’s possible there was something else on your mind that day, and that’s understandable, but as a whole, you seemed very short with her.
You’d keep cutting her off mid-story, directing her to another subject, then redirecting her to the story you cut her off from.

Anyhow, I’m certain your other interviews will be phenomenal as always! Not to say this was bad, just made me cringe at some points.

J R March 14, 2014 at 9:25 am

That assisted suicide story was something else.

Vince March 14, 2014 at 10:53 am

Yikes! I have to admit that I did not listen to all of this. At first I thought you being short with her because you were grumpy, but then I realized you were being short with her because there is an acceptable limit of narcissistic sarcasm that lacks real insight that any normal person should have to sit and listen to.

Kevin March 14, 2014 at 1:25 pm

Not sure what you lot are getting at. Everyone has neurosis to some degree. Annabelle is just talking about going through a lot of tough experiences through her own frame of mind.

While it does come off a bit complain-y, and with a “woe is me” attitude, it’s her perspective and I think we should respect that.

Marc sounds reasonable and not at all rude in the interview.

md March 14, 2014 at 2:48 pm

Annabelle Gurwitch was talking about the experience of getting older from a specifically female perspective. This is a topic for which Marc Maron seems to have very little patience. Lots of mansplaining going on in this one.

I’m a huge WTF fan, and a 44-year old woman. Here’s how I heard this interview:
AW: trying to talk about her book and her life as a woman in her 50s

The whole thing made me cringe. It made me sad, actually. It is a huge bummer when men have no empathy for women’s experiences. Getting older IS different for women, Marc, and in some ways it’s harder. I wish you’d expressed more fellow-feeling for Gurwitch as she tried to tell you about it.

KZ March 14, 2014 at 3:32 pm

I agree, MD. Marc Maron has always been appealing because he talks about personal things at length, and I’ll bet that he is blind to his sexist ways. He’s a pretty angry at women. Not the first time I’ve noticed it.

However, Annabelle Gurwitch has some supremely annoying speech habits. She redirects all the time and waffles on. I can see why MM was getting tetchy with her. I thought I was going to have to turn this one off. I’m glad I didn’t. Once she stopped with all the self-consciously laughing and slurring through herky jerky sentences, then the interview got more interesting.

BHarris March 14, 2014 at 4:50 pm

Weird interview, she seems hugely conflicted about aging, yet you seemed like the grounding.

BHarris March 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm

Also regarding butting in and such, He had to or she would have seemed off the fucking page, to any of the listeners, again that’s just my two bits.

Alan arter March 14, 2014 at 4:58 pm

Well She Was Unbearable On Episode 240 And Unlistenable In ThIs Episode.

Why Keep Having This Whiney Annoyance On Marc?

Fishsticks March 14, 2014 at 7:38 pm

I can see why Marc got impatient at times. I felt a certain amount of empathy for her, being a woman close to her age. But she seems terrorized by her ‘glass half empty’ perception of life. Too bad. The assisted suicide story stopped me in my tracks. I just couldnt believe they all left their friend to die alone. Did they just get bored with the process? Wow. I can see why her husband made that comment he did to her later on.  Clearly, this was a polarizing episode and interesting as always.

H March 14, 2014 at 10:55 pm

As a 50-year-old female, I found this to be the most annoying interview in recent memory on this show. She was whiny, spectacularly navel-gazing, and, as a result, really boring. I actually think Marc responded as a good friend would, trying to gently prod her into a more realistic perspective. He’s absolutely right: she’s not complaining about getting old, she’s complaining about having to grow up. I think she should go see Hank Azaria’s shrink.

Todd from Minneapolis March 15, 2014 at 7:43 am

Fishsticks, her friend wasn’t left completely alone to die.  A hospice nurse was still there.  I thought Maron’s interruptions were necessary although I do admire Annabelle for struggling to get at the truth and not giving pat answers.

1 March 15, 2014 at 7:46 am

I’m glad I’m not old, and I’m glad I’m not a woman.

Julie March 15, 2014 at 12:21 pm

I had a hard time with this episode.  I can understand Annabelle’s personal crisis, realizing that she is aging and that given a choice, she’d prefer not to do so.  However, I think she could use a good dose of gratitude (which MM was trying hard to instill).  While she is wasting her time ruminating on how awful it is to have someone see you age, and to be in a long-term marriage, she had not one ounce of gratitude for the fact that she is fortunate enough to still have her husband.  There are many, many people who would have LOVED to get more time with their loved ones, yet she doesn’t seem to appreciate the time she has with hers.  Even after discussing assisting her cancer-stricken friend’s suicide, Annabelle goes right back into complaining about how terrible it is to get old.  Doesn’t she think her friend would have LOVED to have the chance to have arthritis, or have to put on reading glasses, or to do any of the other myriad things Annabelle was bemoaning?  Annabelle was spot-on in saying that she has a gift for being able to find something to suffer about.  And she shared that gift with everyone else with 82 minutes of navel-gazing crap.

md March 15, 2014 at 5:10 pm

When comics and other showbiz folk come on WTF and express contentment and satisfaction with their lives, MM usually seems flummoxed and a bit resentful. He clearly wants to connect with people who are struggling and a bit miserable. That’s his tribe. (This is not a complaint—it’s one of the reasons I listen to this podcast.)

So Gurwitch comes on ready to talk about her struggle—and to plug her book, which is all about that struggle—and suddenly MM is all “but hey that’s life, deal with it, that’s how kids are, that’s how aging is,” lecture lecture lecture. Why? Because he doesn’t want to hear it? Because he sees it as frivolous? Because he doesn’t want to consider the ramifications of the dreaded dry vagina?

And what the hell, people? Do you always come down so hard on Marc’s guests when they bitch and moan about shit? Do you complain that they need to turn that frown upside down, too? That Maron guy, he needs to look on the bright side and quit whining so much, amirite? Either hold everyone (including MM) to the same standards, or be more compassionate.

Peyton March 15, 2014 at 7:17 pm

Is this woman a comedian? Because this whiny shit was never funny and got kinda boring. Sadly the most interesting thing was the assisted suicide, which was unbelievably difficult to sit through. This person needs some grit and humor and to get over herself. It’s one thing to be honest and open, it’s another thing to wallow. Ain’t no use complaining about things ya can’t change. And again, if you are going to do such a thing might as well be funny.

And yes, aging is different for women compared to men, but Christ almighty there are plenty of sexy 50 year old women that simply own their age and don’t give a shit.
It’s called adulthood. And Marc was just moving it along because she was being redudant and the conversation was treading water. I was frankly shocked at how nice Marc was being. If she were my friend I’d tell her to move on, get over it and love the life ya got.
Because jessuuuuus, who wants to be around someone that can’t do that?

gc March 15, 2014 at 8:06 pm

I couldn’t make it to the end of the interview. It reminded me of a work-party I went to a couple years ago where everyone (married, with children) talked about their landscaping, their children, what their children do to their landscaping. It was exhausting, and not in the way a good workout or a good orgasm, or a good cry is exhausting. It was exhausting in the way waiting in line for 3 hours at the DMV is exhausting. There. I was complaining, and I was moderately funny. There’s a difference between complaining about things no one can do anything about and you find them absurd (hence funny), and complaining about things you can do something about and you still want to complain about them just because…change…it’s hard…y’know (hence, annoying).  I’m looking at you MD.

JC March 16, 2014 at 5:22 am

I almost turned off this episode, what a self centred, insecure woman. Can’t believe Geoff is still with her, We all grow old, we all have problems with our children growing up, deal with it! I have no sympathy for her and her child, it’s a symptom of how she brought that poor boy up. He’s clearly rebelling from all the bullshit he’s been fed all his life. My children are in their teens and our family continue to support and love each other. It comes from respect and spending time with them being the centre of my world, opposed to Annabelle constantly trying to twist everything back to her. She should be grateful that her career has gone as far as it has, man she’s so annoying it’s amazing she got as far as she has! Marc, you were right to step in to keep her on track, that woman can’t hold a train of thought.

I always take a nugget of wisdom from your podcasts Marc, from this one I’ve learnt to never to download anything to do with Annabelle again. I’ve never been so annoyed just listening to someone. Please Marc, never again!

Eric March 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm

It’s because of Annabelle that Paul Gilmartin now requires psychiatric drugs to function.

Guest March 16, 2014 at 4:00 pm

She only feels old. I’d like more interviews with actual old people, before they, you know. RIP David Brenner.

Jen Salz March 17, 2014 at 5:55 am

I can appreciate the dark and it’s often interesting to see what darkness lies within your guests.  That being said…I am a 40 year old woman and according to the whiney Mrs. Annabelle, my life will soon be over.  Just when I thought it couldn’t get possibly worse…she goes into the euthanasia story which, just when I thought it couldn’t get worse, ends with her complaining how she had to leave her friend in solitude to finally die.  That story would have been compelling had it not been sandwiched between complaints.  I did appreciate your efforts to try and extract a shred of positivity from that wretched guest, but she was not biting.  Her marriage?  Maybe it will be over soon.  Her wisdom from aging?  She doesn’t care.  I have been listening to WTF since the very beginning.  I have maintained interest in guests that are not at all relavent to my life experience and have enjoyed the good with the bad.  Annabelle was BAD and I did not enjoy. YOU SHOULD HAVE WARNED ANY LISTENERS WITH ANY DEPRESSION ISSUES TO NOT LISTEN!!!!!!!! 

I am going to hold out some hope that I will have some shred of joy in 12 years when I am 52.

At the end of Lena Dunham’s podcast (which rocked!) you mentioned that women spark contraversy in the comment board.  I couldn’t wait to see what others had said about this interview and am glad to see that I’m not alone.

Bumper March 17, 2014 at 9:23 am

An annoying guest is an annoying guest, no matter what the gender, age or subject matter. This was very difficult to listen through, and it frankly ruined my mood for the rest of the day. If I had to be around her, I would run screaming into the hills. I agree with the commenters who commended Marc for his attempts to redirect this meandering guest. Those who compIained about him sometimes interrupting her, have you ever listened to WTF before?—that’s the man’s style with just about everyone and we love it. I agree with Jen above who said there should have been a warning on this one. I agree with everything Julie said above. Gratitude. Gratitude. Gratitude. And how about some humor?

Ollie March 17, 2014 at 11:29 am

The individuals who have commented negatively about this particular episode sound a lot more whiny and annoying than the guest.  Looks to me like they have more in common with the guest than they think.

Matthew March 17, 2014 at 11:53 am

Ok, so maybe I was misunderstanding but if I were her husband and I listened to this, how could you not be like “just leave, you couldn’t be more miserable” and god forbid her son here about her resentment about the responsibility of raising him.

I may be an idiot but I can accept that in this case. Maybe I just didn’t get her story or her POV.

Erving Scoffman March 17, 2014 at 1:31 pm

She was very annoying.  I don’t think it she was offering any type of insightful female perspective on aging.  She was offering a self-involved, entitled person’s boring take on experiences that are handled by millions of people with much more grace, humility, and insight than her. 

Something particularly annoying.  She was talking about people having children at an older age and the challenges of that.  She said a lot of people still have children at a young age, and Marc correctly pointed out that most people still do.  She paused and said that the trend in “first world” countries is people having children at older ages, so this is the trend that humanity is going toward (or something like that).  A handful of “First world” countries represent the trend for humanity!?!  What about the billions of people who live in the rest of the world?  She backpedalled and said her book isn’t one of social research, which is fine, but it didn’t sound like she’s offering anything worth reading. 

Alicia March 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm

Geez, god forbid that a woman over 40 is not the paragon of matronly dignity that everyone is adamant that they should be. Hate to break it to you guys, but there are as many types of women in the world as there are people.
Marc’s podcast is good because the guests are allowed to say what they are really thinking about and feeling. She had absolutely no obligation to represent anyone/anything but herself. I was not horrified or offended by a word Annabelle said because I was listening to her as if she were a just a human individual, not an idea of a mother, wife, or woman.

Also, she’s an actress in LA, of COURSE she’s going to have a complex about aging.

H March 17, 2014 at 8:39 pm

Julie—you said what I was thinking much better than I did. Thanks.

Derik March 17, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Great interview!  I finally got my girlfriend to listen to this and she was laughing the whole time!  Awesome!

Dan G March 18, 2014 at 3:29 am

Interesting roller coaster of an interview. At first I was impressed by Annabelle’s intelligence and charisma and was annoyed by Marc’s frequent interruptions; then I got annoyed with her self-absorbed complaining and welcomed Marc’s more grounded attitude; then the assisted suicide story hit and it was like “wtf?”; then they both pulled it together for an enjoyable and compelling finish. Great stuff.

Jimi March 18, 2014 at 10:46 am

I’ve enjoyed every WTF I’ve listened to up until now, whether I’m familiar with the guest or not they’re all pretty interesting. But, this one was VERY tough to get through. She’s very self-absorbed and judgmental, a huge downer.

Brandy March 18, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Boy, Howdy! I can’t improve on what H and Julie said. If you think Marc has a problem with women, listen to the Lena Dunham episode. Their rapport was delightful! Dunham was so present and curious and sharp. Gurwich seemed half there and just trying to get in her schtick. I’ve heard men of both types too. Don’t see it as a gender thing. Some interviewees are better than others. I appreciated how Marc was trying to keep AG focused. Tough gig.

Alan Y March 19, 2014 at 5:43 pm

The assisted suicide story was easily the best part of the interview. That’s the only time Annabelle felt like she let her guard down and was really honest. The rest of the time she just seemed whiny. Marc, you did your best to make it work, but sadly there was no making this one work.

Marilyn March 19, 2014 at 10:36 pm

I love this woman and I loved this interview.  I also really liked the podcast that she and her husband were on.  Authentic, dark and very funny.  I may resonate with her because I am a woman of a certain age, have been in a relationship for 25 years and my parents recently passed.  Until you have been in a relationship for the long haul, entered your 50s and beyond, helped your friends and relatives die… may not have what it takes to appreciate Annabella.  Your time will come, if you are lucky.  I wish I had a girlfriend like Annabella.  I am purchasing her book.

Mark Duwe March 20, 2014 at 12:54 am

I think the part where her and her friends got together to help their other friend ‘reach the other side’ was amazing. It would make a good movie that a lot of adult women would like to see. HBO, come on, you can make it happen. Ok? Ok.

Gloria March 20, 2014 at 6:24 am

Thank you, Marilyn.  As someone on the cusp of 50, I enjoyed this interview much more than Marc’s chat’s with “ooh, I’m sooo deep” indie musicians I’ve never heard of.  This one was real.  Yeah, she can be kind of annoying, but I mean, this is MM, one of the masters of introspective comedy. 

As the child of older parents, I feel for her raising a teenaged son.  Parenting is never easy and when your mistaken time and time again for your child’s grandmother, there’s a pang that just cuts deep.  Perhaps she extrapolates too much from her singular experience of getting older, but hers is just as valid as anyone’s.  For those that say, “just shut up and suck it up,” give it 15 years and get back to us.

Shanna March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am

The assisted suicide story was a horrifying look into the psyche of a sociopath. Annabelle’s dying friend wasn’t ready to meet her death but the group made a decision to leave her house…leave her alone to die because THEY were tired?
Please Mark, don’t ask her back. Distance yourself from this type of empty soul.

wilberfan March 20, 2014 at 1:16 pm

Most of the other comments not withstanding, I thought this interview even more interesting than most.  Maybe because I’m on the far side of 50 as well.

I agree, though, that you seemed to be interrupting more than you usually do.  Which is probably just like real life.  Sometimes we’re patient listeners, sometimes we’re not…

Fascinating, regardless.

Tim March 20, 2014 at 5:02 pm

I hope I’m missing something or something was left out of the assisted suicide story because I agree with some others…it sounds like her group left a friend to die alone with a nurse because they were “emotionally exhausted”.  If a friend ever asks me to watch them die I hope I can generate more motivation to see the process through than her pals did.

She did bring up some interesting thoughts relating to her specific gender and age that never would have occurred to me but each one was chopped up by several stream of conscience tangents.  I’ve never read anything she has written but I’m guessing she is much better in that medium.

Ije March 21, 2014 at 7:48 am

Annabelle Gurwitch: Never Again. PLEASE! 

First I feel compelled to preface by saying that I am a 40 year old married mother of a 14 year old boy. And, I love your show. I find your show thoughtful, enlightening and it exposes me to people and ideas I would otherwise never know. I should have enjoyed this episode. I didn’t. It was painful. It was actually worse than her first appearance on the show. Gurwitch is exhausting. This was not a conversation. This was Ms. Gurwitch doing a bit while you tried valiantly to ask probing questions. You were trying to connect with her. I could feel it in your voice. Yet Gurwitch was determined to stick to the script.

Okay, so your guest does not want to reveal her innermost self on a podcast. I can understand that. We can focus on the book. About the book: completely unoriginal. Nothing she said on the podcast made me want to even flip through the book.

Marc, I have to imagine that you were not thrilled with that interview. Why did you air it? And why are you so surprised by the negative feedback?

Chris March 21, 2014 at 10:37 am

I’ve only been listening to WTF since the Simon Pegg interview, so I’m a newbie here, but I agree with the sentiment toward Annabelle’s interview being hard to listen to.  Personally, for me she reminded me of a mid 50s coworker that I used to work with.  I live in the midwest, but she always had to push her Italian heritage from many generations ago as the reason for her bullish behavior.  Very self absorbed with herself and too far gone in age to ever make any improvement in herself. 

Having said that, the Lena Dunham episode was much much better.  I actually have new found respect for her after that one.

paul hogan March 23, 2014 at 2:55 pm

One of the few I couldn’t make it through. I know that seems trolly.  I don’t care. I think she has a personality that some people think is very fun and entertaining, and the rest of us find insufferable.  She’s far more successful than I am. I don’t get it, but I must concede that the world has spoken and I have lost.

RoS March 25, 2014 at 2:20 am

Hello - I’m a fairly new listener for the past year or so. I’ve enjoyed some episodes more than others but I’m always struck by the honesty Maron seems to pull out of most of his guests - such as the Robin Williams episode: That was the most human and not “on” I have ever heard RWilliams in an interview anywhere. It was a great listen.

>> The guest in this episode seemed to be locked into being schtick-y, and I just didn’t feel like she truly meant most of the things she said. I couldn’t escape the feeling that Maron was only interrupting what he felt were ‘bits’ she was trying to do.

I was HORRIFIED at the assisted suicide story for a couple of reasons… I actually hope it was all part of a bit - When she made it sound like she and her friends got somehow bored that the death process was ‘taking so long’ ...and wandered off, leaving their friend to die alone - after refusing to let her get up and walk around. I hope, for several reasons, that story is untrue or at least embellished for comic effect.

The biggest reason is the potentially big problem (for her) with this story: She admitted, on record, to committing a FELONY, or probably several including: Conspiracy to commit murder and possibly 2nd degree murder or (at the very least) manslaughter. ...and if her friend really did want to get out of bed, that could be construed as having second thoughts about dying, and that could add ‘enhancements’ like “willful disregard for human life” to your guest’s list of woes (i.e.: Felony charges.)

I’m not kidding. She needs to talk to a lawyer because I would be shocked if she did NOT get a visit from the LAPD sometime soon.

Nicollette March 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm

I have listened to every WTF episode, every single one. And I have say WTF!? This was almost unlistenable. Her voice droning on and on. You don’t like getting older? Really? Wow, you’re so unique. Don’t get me wrong I like struggle but to be boring about it… No wonder she doesn’t get along with her kid. I didn’t even get to the suicide story because I was so uninspired by her, as Marc obviously was also. I think the lack of comedy is what made his episode such a fail.

Marc if you read this, I’m really happy for your new relationship, you deserve it!

Stone March 26, 2014 at 7:55 am

While I listened to this, I verbally said “if you think your teenager absolutely has to hate you, then you are doing it wrong!”  I am father of a 15 year old who is well adjusted, respects his peers as well as his elders… and I never have to yell at him or lay a hand on him.  Failure as a parent is not endearing.  The rest of the world gets to deal with these fucked up kids who didn’t get properly taught how to interact with others in a way that fosters growth and understanding.  If your kid hates you, you’ve done screwed up.. and it’s YOUR fault, not the kids.

That said… I don’t know this woman, so I can’t judge her beyond the superficial words above.  I do say, I was intrigued by the assisted suicide story, and was thinking that it sounds like a movie script waiting to be written… but I was also saddened by the “no, you stay in bed ... die-already, we’re bored” attitude she claimed to have at the end.  I tend to agree with RoS ... seems like a legal/criminal issue might be in their future.

And finally.. can we all agree .. please.. for fucks sake .. to never, ever again, use the term “naval-gazing” as a personality judgement?  I fucking hate that contrived psychobabble bullshit.

Valley Cat March 28, 2014 at 4:53 pm

Regarding some comments about Gurwitch’s speech: It took me a tick to get used to Gurwitch’s speaking patterns, and it took me a full day to process what that meant. I honestly think it has been learned from an insecurity that she has, which is no fault of her own, but has been systematically been beaten into her. She’s obviously a talkative and energetic lady with lots of thoughts on lots of things, but as a female, especially one in the biz, it behooves one to take on a more demure/“feminine” persona. Therefore, she uses fillers, trails off, and corrects herself when starting sentences with “I” in order to sound less ‘authoritative and pushy.’ It works, but apparently people don’t like that either. Here’s a little thread from tumblr that illustrates what I’m talking about:
Anywho, I liked the interview. I think Maron was responding to her the best he could and I didn’t see any problems with it. But what do I know? I’m just some jerk on the internet. (<- you see what I did there?)

Frank March 31, 2014 at 2:08 pm

WOW!  Was surprised to hear her admit to murdering her “friend.”  Then I was more shocked that there were no follow-up questions to that story.  The victim was asking to be surrounded by her friends at the end of her life.  The response was, “NO, you don’t know what you need.  We will give you drugs, then leave your house so that you can die alone.”  What a sick world we live in where this can happen and it’s talked about with pride as if the murderer made a difficult choice.  Listening to this made me feel physically sick.  I hope that the family of the victim hears this and presses charges so that this woman can go to prison.

Candace Kulling April 14, 2014 at 10:14 am

Not my favorite interview.  I’m turning 48 this year and thought this would be a funny interview that I could identify with, but I found myself thinking of Ms. Gurwitch as very negative and whiny.  I’m assuming this is her shtick, but it’s too much for the length of an entire interview.  I read a lot of the other comments about Marc cutting her off, but I feel like he had no choice.  It was his job to keep her on topic, as well as getting to the point of each story, which I think he did to the best of his abilities.  And the sad story about helping her friend end her life is probably not a story for public consumption.  If I had a friend dying from something as awful as pancreatic cancer (or any cancer), I’d want to be there for that person to help them reach the end of their life surrounded by loved ones each and every day until the end came naturally.  Making a joke about how much money they could have made from all the excellent drugs this poor woman ingested seemed callous.  And leaving her at the end so she would go ahead and die also came across awfully.  At least she really loves and appreciates her husband and son…..yikes, that didn’t come across in the interview either.  Oh well, the next interview with Lena Dunham was so terrific, it made up for the hour of my life I can’t get back from this interview.

smitty May 13, 2014 at 9:24 pm

I agree with the former comment ,except for one thing;Lena is so beyond contrived,yet,she and her fellow acolytes, can’t even begin to see her mindless blather for what it is.

Madtown guy June 04, 2014 at 2:06 pm

I agree with the thoughts of Greg & Yasmin way up in this thread; Marc was very impatient and downright rude to his guest and that, to me, was far more disappointing and uncomfortable than anything that Ms. Gurwitch had to say. Cutting her off with sighs and outright dismissing some of her comments - it was clearly not a good day for Marc.