WTF Podcast

Episode 234 - Jillian Lauren

Author Jillian Lauren happens to be Marc’s neighbor. Amazingly, that’s not the most harrowing thing she’s ever been through. She discusses the details of her memoir, in which she became a highly paid escort and a concubine in the Prince of Brunei’s harem, as well as her new novel and her life since becoming a mom. This episode is sponsored by Stamps.com. Click the radio mic and enter WTF for a special offer.

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Bill December 08, 2011 at 7:56 am


Marc, great interview, but you went in too hard on Jillian in the end there!

elliot December 08, 2011 at 10:03 am


Hey Marc,
love the podcast. Just a heads up in the itunes description it says the prince of Bahrain instead of the prince of Brunei.

Az Lee December 08, 2011 at 10:49 am


I haven’t heard the episode yet but I’m really anticipating this one since it involves someone from my royal family. Hmmm… I may be the only Bruneian listener here…

Bret December 08, 2011 at 12:31 pm


Jerry Springer’s custom made cowboy boots celebrating his 300th talk show:
http://www.life.com/celebrity-pictures/110278398/jerry-springer-hosts-reception-to-celebrate-3000th-episode-of-the-jerry-springer-show

GuruOne December 08, 2011 at 2:07 pm


Why do I get the feeling her entire story was B/S ?

Serenity Morris December 08, 2011 at 2:49 pm


About your wind scare, that is why living in the Midwest I bought a weather radio and I live in paralyzing fear every spring and summer everyday not knowing, when that wind picks up and that radio goes off, I am atheist but I find myself making deals with god..

Jenn December 08, 2011 at 2:51 pm


I just finished listening to this episode & am extremely impressed with Jillian. You did a fantastic job interviewing her & I am noticing a change in you, a confidence in yourself that sounds wonderful. I’m so happy for you, Maron =) Can’t wait to read “Some Girls” too, been looking for a new book latey.

Lakin December 08, 2011 at 5:39 pm


Hate to burst your bubble, your not reconized or famous by any means! Your simply a whore who wrote about being a whore, millions of women could do that. And no pity party here for you lady, many children are abused as children are not no where near as fucked up as you! I wish I could use my husband to get my books sold! You wouldnt sell shit if it wasnt for him. Now, go work on some self respect!!!!!!

Rob December 08, 2011 at 6:37 pm


Seriously, this is the worst human being I’ve ever heard.  Complete trash.  I’m a bit suspect of the interview, Marc.  Who put you up to this one?  Not funny or interesting.  As an adoptive parent, Jillian is my worst nightmare. People who can conceive take this for granted, but when you can’t and then go through all the bs that is involved in adoption, you are extremely grateful for the chance to parent, and you love that child very deeply.  Jillian obviously wasn’t getting anywhere with her life, so she had to go back and write about her life as a whore.  She knew it would destroy her relationship with her parents, but she chose to cash in on her whore stories anyway.  I am broken hearted for her parents . . . . they chose to adopt her and give her a good life, and look what she does to them.

vadgeman December 08, 2011 at 10:53 pm


Hot AND crazy?! What’re the odds?

Gus December 08, 2011 at 11:19 pm


‘‘Yeah they’ll come back around. I’m super! (arrogant laugh) Im really great! Ya know? And I’m a great daughter and I’m a great person and I’m a good communicator” Christ, i was on the fence on her through the whole interview but then that at 1:09 came that. Also her laugh really rubs me the wrong way. Like something’s hiding behind it.

Gus December 08, 2011 at 11:41 pm


Also she seems to lack any sense of adult morality and the complexity of it. Not that she was a prostitute. If that’s what you want, then go do it. But take the part where she talks about how her book estranged her from her parents. Let’s take her point of view and say that she had a right to tell her story, and her parents should have been there for her regardless. Fine. But even if that’s the case, she ended up robbing her child of a relationship with its grandparents. Regardless of whose “fault” it is, it is clear that her decision to publish the book, ended up indirectly robbing her child of a grandparent’s relationship. I don’t mean to get on a moral soap-box; it’s not like i have anything figured out, but the fact that she doesn’t even seem conflicted, or to have any grasp of the far reaching ramifications her decisions can have on other people, shows that she’s a fucking child.

Crate&Trauma; December 09, 2011 at 2:01 am


Ouch there’s a lot of pain, hurt, and abuse behind her occasional laughs.  That was really tough to listen to.

guyinnyc December 09, 2011 at 3:18 am


This bitch’s PoMo take on her life of “high class” whoring is tedious and insufferable. She can barely articulate anything approaching a genuine insight into what she learned from her experience, having to be coaxed to answer by Marc (who did his usual great job interviewing). Given her astounding lack of self-awareness, it seems the only reason for writing a memoir is to feed her narcissism.

grind December 09, 2011 at 5:27 am


a prostitute that makes all that money,
and then wants tell that story and gain
respectability?! - it’s like she wants her cock,
and to eat it, too…
:(

meg December 09, 2011 at 8:34 am


I think you had her number from the get-go, but were able to negotiate the minefields of her bullsh+t self-aggrandizing quite successfully, allowing her just enough rope to hang herself. Well-played. Having encountered her type over the years, I do have some sympathy. When the looks go, her hipster hubby will find a more suitable concubine/trophy wife #2 or #3 or whatever. Tragically predictable. Woefully sad for the kid in the equation. But, for women like her, to use her own words, “exotic” adoptive children are like charming pets and garishly embellished handbags—they make the best accessories!

jimjim December 09, 2011 at 9:49 am


All of these hate comments are really disgusting.  Jillian has every right to write about her life, and anyone who has a problem with that needs to get over themselves.  Based on what she said about her troubled/exploited childhood (having an older man as a boyfriend at age 11, anorexia, abusive father) I think she deserves some credit for surviving and building a writing career and a family.
Have some empathy.

AbsalomsBastard December 09, 2011 at 11:48 am


At least the angry people didn’t listen to the interview.

Simone December 09, 2011 at 12:16 pm


I really enjoyed this interview! I knew nothing about her and found her so interesting. Thanks again, Marc!

DJF December 09, 2011 at 1:03 pm


I just felt so, so bad for her parents.  She’s perfected the persecuted narcissist role that so many adopted folks do (for whatever reason).  My favorite part was her answer to the ‘biggest regret’ question.  It was all just so sad. 


Good interview, Marc.

Beelzebud December 09, 2011 at 3:14 pm


Who knew that WTF had so many judgmental puritans that listen to it….  I guess that’s the price that comes with getting popular.

AJ December 09, 2011 at 5:23 pm


Weird that she totally glossed over her “relationship” with an older man at 11.  That’s not a relationship…that’s fucking child rape.  No wonder she’s so fucked up.

Totally agree with Gus.  She’s got no self-awareness.

WK December 09, 2011 at 5:59 pm


Wow, the comments, they just blow me away. Why do so many people feel the need to be so judgmental and so harsh? Relax, take a breath, you’ll live longer that way.

johnathan December 09, 2011 at 7:16 pm


Great interview with a very interesting person.  Fuck the mysoginists.  Your frustrated hate messages speak volumes about you. 

Loved the way Marc dealt with the email ingrate.

johnathan December 09, 2011 at 7:20 pm


Wow… How hate-filled was my last post?  Talk about irony…

Justin December 09, 2011 at 8:19 pm


I really don’t want to say anything bad since this is Marc’s neighbour and any conversation is worthwhile giving any insight or angle on any world. It just makes me feel… oh how to describe it… really disappointed listening to this. Not so much angry. not really ‘sad’. Just that kind of ‘what a shame ugh’ sense. But I do appreciate the podcast all the same!

G December 10, 2011 at 9:57 am


This interview seems to have stomped on a lot of people’s nerves!  Awesome.

Cheers to Jillian Lauren for her grace, intelligence and humor.

DaveyNC December 10, 2011 at 8:31 pm


I’m fairly new to WTF but have enjoyed it quite a bit over the last month or so. Marc, I know it isn’t hard to find self-absorbed, narcissistic people in and around the edges of show business, but Jillian may be the single most self-absorbed person I’ve ever heard. It was damn hard to listen to. About half way through I nearly skipped to the end because I didn’t want to give her an audience.

I’ve never heard someone so blissfully ignorant of how her actions affect those around her. Well, except for my own mother. Ugh. Back to the comedians!

Ahbram December 10, 2011 at 10:29 pm


WTF?! is exactly what I’d like to shout at some of the comment posters. I don’t understand how so many people can miss the fact that it’s not NARCISSISTIC to talk about yourself when discussing your own MEMOIRS! She apparently doesn’t show enough disinterest about telling her own story…  Wow. Larkin apparently mistakes talking about what happened for pity seeking, woe is me behavior, which her interview is ANYTHING but… She takes full responsibility for what she did, and actually tries to get to the root causes of her behavior, which IMO, seems to be what damns her to so many of your listeners who commented her. It’s never enough to clear away the symptoms, you have to get at the root causes as well. I guess because she isn’t still mired in self loathing (which is one of those root causes, HELLO!) and shame means she’s just a fame seeking, self aggrandizing whore, right?

Then Rob wants to go and pull the Parental guilt card out and wave that mofo around all to see.  Apparently telling the truth about you life for your own betterment is a crime rooted in selfishness. Don’t even consider the fact that she released the book in the most considerate way possible, and informed her parents HALF A YEAR before it was released. Then to say her life wasn’t going anywhere… Have you been listening? Her life went to more places before she was 26 than most people go through in a lifetime. AND she still had all that cake left over from her concubine days. So where EXACTLY are you basing that statement on? Also, the length of time between when she stopped escorting to BEGINING to publish the book was over 10 years! ANS she said that she was constantly fighting with herself to WRITE the damn thing because of her internal issues. But I guess since she didn’t go and tell her parents that she was TORN about writing a book about her life for her own reasons equals ZERO consideration for her parentals, eh?

PEOPLE, THIS IS THE REASON WAY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS OR HONEST DISCOURSE ABOUT WHO WE REALLY ARE!

And then, the KICKER, people blame HER for her PARENTS decision to drop out of her AND THEIR GRANDSON’S life completely. I guess it’s HIS fault that Granny is upset with Mommy so he has to suffer, right? Because there’s no way for them to still be in his life and not be on speaking terms with mommy? People go through shit like this with divorce all the time, and some even take the time out to let the children know that “It’s not your fault. It has nothing to do with you. We still love you and will be in your life. We’re just angry/not speaking to mommy for awhile.” But SHE’S the bad guy, for putting her parents through this….

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!

Connor December 11, 2011 at 12:42 am


I just got done listening and i came away liking her. my problem, and this goes for every interview show is, you can really tell the difference when the person is on a show to sell something instead of to just be interviewed. i have a problem hearing the same preplanned talking points on interview shows and i really like your show for the ‘talk over a cup of coffee’ idea that i hear in the earlier shows. i think it should be a rule, a label maybe, that if an interviewee is strictly on a show to sell something then we should just be given the cliff notes and skip the commercial.

i liked jillian and would really like to hear her talk more about subjects she didnt have time to really touch on, ie, distance from her parents, turning her life into a relationship, truely finding herself, adoption, all really good and i bet she has an hour show on each subject….thats what i want to hear.

AB December 11, 2011 at 5:16 pm


Jillian Lauren - insufferable, bombastic, extremely unlikeable blowhard.

Daddy December 12, 2011 at 4:35 pm


Yeah, she’s pretty self-delousional, and just wants to stick to her talking points.

The doubly fun irony of it all is that her husband, as the bass player in Weezer, is a paid member of Rivers Cuomo’s harem.

Mike December 13, 2011 at 4:18 pm


All her character flaws aside…her voice is unbearable. Whiny pitch with that constant annoying up talk. Poor Weezer guy.

Dan December 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm


This has got to be the saddest interview I’ve listened to.

Here’s a sad and bitter person if ever there was one. Out of their prime, trying so desperately to cling on to what they once were it’s not even funny. I feel for her.

Diva December 16, 2011 at 8:23 pm


It is incredibly difficult for sex workers to move back into the mainstream, let alone be completely honest with their parents, partner, or spouse about their former life. I say that from experience; it takes clarity, courage, confidence, and the ability to look beyond the judgments of those who don’t really understand what we’ve been through to get to where we are now (see vitriolic comments above).

She wrote about events from nearly 20 years ago, so my question is this:  How long does a woman have to NOT fuck for money to be considered a changed person? 30 years? 40, even if they are a productive member of society? 50, even if they never speak of it and live each day with the same aspirations and goals as everyone else?

The “spoiled woman,” at least here in the U.S., is a myth and Ms. Lauren is that rarity, a mature, intelligent adult. She didn’t blindside her adoptive *or* her biological parents about the book and she knew full well the consequences of her actions; she even said she expected the worst and received it. I’ll wager she’s more honest with herself than any of the haters here are.

Most former sex workers are.

Jim Jim December 17, 2011 at 11:26 pm


Ugh. I am at a point where horrendous misogyny on Internet comment pages is rather expected, but goddamn if it doesn’t still piss me off.

Jim Jim December 17, 2011 at 11:29 pm


Whoa, there was actually someone else on here that decided to post under the name “jim jim” who seems to feel the same way I do. CLEARLY WE MUST BE SOULMATES

Ahbram December 19, 2011 at 12:42 am


@DIVA - Thank you for saying it so plainly. So many of people never really try to understand so many of the Myths or the stigma that follows anyone connected to Sex Work, and the incredible amounts of bile they wade through on the daily when they decide to be honest with themselves and others about their pasts and what such experiences say about themselves, much less reflect about the society that we live in. Do many people even consider the demand that drives the industry, and the myriad of emotions and judgments that get hurled with such vitriol towards the “unclean”? I glad that people like you are continuing to live a life where you can speak without shame about your experiences and continue you express the full depth of the human experience. Keep telling it like it is!

Lee Stringer December 19, 2011 at 10:34 pm


I’m a huge fan of this podcast, but there’s the occasional miss, and this interview was one of them. I guess in the end it’s a failing of Marc’s, but maybe no one would have done any better. He seems more capable of drawing truth out of comedians than people like Jillian. Maybe because he knows what buttons to push with comedians? Either way he wasn’t pushing her buttons. Throughout the whole interview it was painful listening to Marc trying to get some meaningful insight out of her about her life, but continuously coming up empty. I hope it’s because she’s more comfortable writing about her life than talking about it, and not because she honestly doesn’t have anything to say. In other words I hope her book is a hell of a lot more interesting than this interview. The only part where she had anything but a vague response was when she talking about regretting not trying harder for acting in her early years. Yet, unlike some of the nasty douchebags who’ve been commenting here behind the cowardly veil of the internet Comments Section, I haven’t forgotten that she’s a human being, and deserves respect, even if I didn’t enjoy the interview. She seems like a decent person. I just hope there’s more depth to her writing than this interview. As a writer I can’t help but resent people who can’t write, yet get book deals just because they’re a celebrity or having something “shocking” to say.

kevin December 28, 2011 at 4:09 pm


This is the first WTF podcast that I could not listen to. I had to stop it about 10 minutes in. I don’t think it was a coincidence that Marc read that douchy email and his angry response in the intro. He knew that the upcoming interview would probably generate a lot of negative feedback.

L January 27, 2012 at 7:01 pm


Marc sounded bored in the last half hour; I felt for him. They can’t all be jewels…




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