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Episode 174 - Sally Wade

It’s George Carlin’s birthday, so what better way to pay tribute than with one of the people who knew him best, his “spouse without papers,” Sally Wade. She reveals the George that not everyone got to know and talks about her last moments with him. Sally provides a fitting homage to a man who influenced just about every comedian in the business.

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Da King May 12, 2011 at 8:07 am


Beautiful job and great Carlin stories….RIP George and God bless Sally.

JESSE May 12, 2011 at 10:22 am


READ NAPALM & SILLY PUTTY… THIS WAS GREAT & KEEP ON KEEPING ON. CARLIN WILL ALWAYS BE RELEVANT smile

Lee Cherolis May 12, 2011 at 10:29 am


I’m a child of the 80’s and 90’s so I only got to experience the tail end of George but I can proudly say he was my first and definitely favorite comedian. His books and albums have been among my most prized treasures and I am so glad to have heard this interview with Sally. Thanks Marc! you and Sally made my day. Going to have to listen to this one a few more times. I can’t stop myself.

Justin May 12, 2011 at 11:50 am


This episode made my heart hurt.

douglas oconnor May 12, 2011 at 11:51 am


Your best show so far Marc.Thank You

otrichheaven May 12, 2011 at 12:19 pm


Damn.  Thanks for another great interview, Marc.  I’m just going to go back to cutting these onions…

David Richman May 12, 2011 at 1:21 pm


This is sort of an irrelevant comment but my uncle who resembled George Carlin (like fifteen twenty years ago) just passed away at age 60. Anyways that was the worst comment ever but nonetheless George (and my uncle) were heroes of mine. I am looking forward to this interview greatly.

gurthang May 12, 2011 at 1:26 pm


BOOOOOOORIIIIING.

holly May 12, 2011 at 2:22 pm


Happy Birthday George!!!  You ARE the BEST!!

Glenn May 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm


Thank you Marc and Sally Wade, for such a great interview! I hate FB, lately, but today’s exchange made me weep and laugh. Thank you so much for exposing the playful, inventive, painfully real, creative and intuitive couple you are/were…yeah. It’s all at once lately.

“When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.” ~Kahlil Gibran

Peace to you, Sally. Thank you as you help me get through some of my griefs and struggles with this open, powerful creativity. I see how important humor and sacred secrets are in a public life.

daPete May 12, 2011 at 3:30 pm


Still laughing at that sign off.

Another great show, Marc.

Janice Holladay May 12, 2011 at 11:36 pm


Thank you so much for this interview. I was wonderful. Humor and insight and real life and love and grief. And, then love agan. I’m just impressed with this interview. It was a wonderful interview, especially on this day. Thank you!

Chris Taylor May 13, 2011 at 12:20 am


Holy shit, I’m still fighting ‘em back!  I didn’t cry, but holy crap those last handful of minutes are probably the most touching minutes ever laid down in an interview of any kind. 

George spoke to me in a way no other comedian ever has, it’s almost like he penetrated my being and set up a home inside of it…if that makes any sense.  I remember getting a text from my brother and friend within seconds of each other the day he died, they knew I had tickets to see him in a few weeks . . . I just kept going back and forth between the texts thinking “NO MAN!  Fuck NO!”  George wasn’t someone that could die, he seemed above it.  Something changed in the world that day, I don’t know how to explain it, but it felt like a piece of who I was, my character, whatever hurt with the pain of loss.  It was really odd, because I’m not one to mourn celebrity passings, but I mourned George (and I hate to admit this) more than some of my own extended family.  It was like I lost a grandfather, someone closest to me…I dunno, this is where words fail.

What am I getting at here?  Fuck if I know…but that was a great interview man, and it really made me think and feel.  I’m going to pick up the book for sure.  I was one of those people that hesitated when I saw the amazon reviews saying it was too personal, that George wouldn’t want that side of him made public, but after listening today it seems pretty clear that he did.

Crate&Trauma; May 13, 2011 at 1:31 am


I actually started crying during that interview.  What an intense WTFPod.

Joe Tily May 13, 2011 at 2:47 am


Great episode Marc - your interview skills are formidable. The new site is lookin’ spiffy and a lot more user friendly too. Nice one. All power to the Maron!

lunch bag art May 13, 2011 at 8:41 am


Best show so far.  So beautiful.

And Ms. Wade herself had some fascinating stories; I’d love to hear her talk more about writing television in the seventies.  I remember that episode of What’s Happening with the Doobie Brothers.

WOW May 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm


I was going to write what I really thought…Then I was like “WTF? Where is that going to get me??” I guess Sally Wade needs the money. Happy birthday, George!

Jake May 13, 2011 at 3:19 pm


Hey WOW, it’s pretty big of you to insult from behind a computer screen.  I am not surprised that someone would actually listen to a podcast and “waste” their time, only to spend even more time criticizing something you know absolutely nothing about. WTF do you know about George Carlin or Sally Wade and her finances? I wish you were here face to face with her or me. Bet you would’nt say shit then, even with a mouthful.

Michael Myers May 13, 2011 at 5:08 pm


Hey Mr WOW, were you born an insensitive asshole or did you learn that trait?

ileen May 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm


You were so gentle with Sally Wade - it was cool to see that side of you. Did anyone else think her voice sounded just like Terry Gross from NPR’s Fresh Air?

kevin May 14, 2011 at 10:04 pm


You were amazing interviewing this woman.  At times I felt that I was peeking through the curtains on a something that was very private, very intimate.  Other times I was moved well beyond anything I would like to be on display. The interview ended with me sitting in a fast food joint in San Pedro having a burger and trying not to let tears show too much.  GREAT WORK.

  Thank You

Christophe May 14, 2011 at 10:56 pm


That was beautiful. Thank you Marc for this amazing week - Winters and Sally Wade. Your interviews were incredible. Like most people here it seems, I had to embarrassingly fight back tears in a public place (on the train at rush hour) at the end of the Sally Wade episode. Powerful stuff.

Bil May 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm


That was an incredible interview. I cried my eyes out at the end when Sally said she felt bad about asking him to hold on because didn’t want him to feel like a failure. Jesus, I’m getting emotional again just thinking about it. Thank you for this. Can’t wait to read the book.

WOW May 16, 2011 at 3:24 pm


@Jake

What now I’m supposed to be overly sensitive because she had an emotional reaction when remembering George? It’s natural to cry over the loss of a loved one. What’s not natural is writing and pimping a tell all book about that loved one. I’m sorry for her loss but I think it’s pretty despicable and who ever buys this is too…Because you just had to know he had frequent urination in the end. Oh and you’re pretty threatening from behind your computer screen as well.

Jake May 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm


HA! you actually came back days later to set me straight! Unemployment must leave you lots of time to scan message boards. From what I, and everyone else who listened to the podcast to be INFORMED probably thought, is that its more of a memoir with comedy. Maybe even a “grief book” even though that title doesn’t exist. You say it’s not natural to write when you’re grieving? I’ve been told to do that 3 separate times in my life when I’ve lost someone. More so I was told that by 3 different people. Now, I understand that by going back and forth with you on here it makes me no better. The difference is, I am on the clock at my job trying to find a way to waste time and I don’t mind fucking with you. And no, I’m not threatening from behind a computer screen. I’m laughing. At you.

Terry May 16, 2011 at 6:14 pm


Your interview with Sally was excellent! It was funny, moving and powerful, and at times very sad. You held the interview together very well when she was becoming emotional. I had a hard time not breaking down when I listened. I can’t wait to pick this book up. I find it incredibly hard to believe that anyone would give her grief for ‘cashing in’ on George’s name when that is clearly not the case. Thanks to Sally, for sharing this side of not only her personal life, but George’s as well.

WOW May 16, 2011 at 7:31 pm


@Jake
I can’t believe how dumb those first two sentences are. You must be trolling considering your own reply. I would love to read the 3 books you wrote. A dead mom book perhaps? You are absolutely right we should all grieve this way.

britdick May 16, 2011 at 11:02 pm


@WOW - well…u are a douche-bag. Jimminy dude. The woman writes a book to humanize and make three dimensional a person who she was deeply in love with and coniected to and who was, in her mind, unknown to most of those on the World, and you flame her? You really think she’s cashing in? You’re a cynical prick. Go back and listen to the last minutes of the interview and really try to sell us all that again.

Well done. You’ve “out-dicked” Gallagher.

GM May 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm


I’m somewhere between @WOW and @all the others. I don’t think it was a cash-grab by Sally Wade. I believe it was a heartfelt piece of work she thought was the right thing to do. But I’m also put off a little by it. I think Marc tried to say something similar but (rightfully, considering he was talking to a grieving widow) backtracked. It’s a little too personal. She says George would have wanted the world to know this side of him. Well then why didn’t he? He had ample opportunity.

My WTF moment while listening was when, after all her talk of their Jupiter/Saturn thing, Marc tried to sum it up as their fantasy world and she paused and said it wasn’t a fantasy. Huh?! That’s what I was thinking, too, but at no time did she imply it was just a little game they were playing.

But it was a captivating episode nonetheless.

LIz May 17, 2011 at 3:14 pm


Wow, what a cool story. True love. I listen to this at work and here I am sitting in tears! Another great show Marc!

Criss May 17, 2011 at 9:37 pm


@WOW, how are things on Saturn these days?

Christina May 19, 2011 at 8:04 am


Just finished listening and now I’m crying @ work; beautiful interview. Thank you for it….

loafward May 20, 2011 at 11:18 pm


my brother and i had the same record, marmar. we also sat on the floor listening over and over—that old bilabial fricative. the grandparents came out to fort wayne that summer from seattle, and at 10 and 12 years old we thought it would be great to share ‘Class Clown’ with gramps and granny. they kept straight faces throughout and i’m sure the parents caught flack for that, but it never got back to us. great summer.

austin May 23, 2011 at 4:15 am


this was seriously fucked up. i hope to fucking god george thought of this jupiter shit as their funny little romantic fantasy life. when she struggled to call it fantasy, it was very sad. she thinks she is still getting “messages” from george and her dead dog. i feel so icky and disgusting getting this close a view of george. i can’t possibly believe he wanted this out in the public. come on. luckily he’s dead and can’t care. maybe this is the sort of stuff you do when you are in love and the lady is a kooky…you placate her and hint that you think it’s more than fantasy….maybe george did think that and he is kind of sweet for thinking that….either way, I DONT WANT TO FUCKING HERE ABOUT IT. DIDNT GEORGE LEAVE YOU ANY MONEY??? OR ARE YOU JUST NUTS AND CAN’T HANDLE HIS DEATH?? Fuck this was aggravating and depressing to listen to. the WTF community having a positive reaction to this shit is even more aggravating.

Me!!! May 23, 2011 at 1:47 pm


Austin is a whiney cunt.

StevenB May 24, 2011 at 8:15 am


Austin,

You’re appalled that your community isn’t as repugnant and vile as yourself? You sound better fit for a community of jackasses that sit safely behind computers as they force their depression onto others.

I hope the rest of you can understand that Marc brought her on the show to honor the work she’s done to preserve a comedy legend’s memory.

“Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist.”
-George Carlin

ROBERT May 24, 2011 at 6:26 pm


I grew up listening to George Carlin and like a lot of us considered him THE comedian of my generation.  I got to work with George several years ago and we formed an immediate friendship.  From the moment we met he talked about Sally.  Over the years George & I would speak on the phone, email and hang out after his shows and I never actually met Sally until after he passed.

Let me say for the record that from my experience with George, the way he lit up at very mention of Sally’s name and in conversations I have had with Sally since George’s passing that Marc’s interview was a remarkably honest and accurate account of who George really was and how much they genuinely loved each other. 

People like Austin are missing the boat.  You may want to judge Sally, who has only worked to preserve the memory of George the way she believes he would have wanted her to, but you can not judge Sally separately from George.  They were a unit, they chose to be, and the book is full of George’s own writings.  If that interview made you dislike Sally, I’m guessing you wouldn’t have gotten along with George either.

ChrisF May 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm


If I chewed and/or suckled a urinal cake, I wouldn’t have gotten as moist in the eye as I got while listening to this episode. George was a true comic sociologist. And not like the degree kind of sociologist, but the kind that walks around WITH us and realizes that shit just isn’t right.

Sally is an awesome lady.

Marc…...You’re an awesome lady as well.

Bill June 10, 2011 at 6:51 pm


Christ, this episode destroyed me. What a beautiful relationship. Great stuff.

Theodore October 28, 2011 at 1:57 am


Whether Carlin wanted the information released or not, it seems that if it provided for his wife he would be 100% down. Even if she painted a picture of him being a huge dick, I think he’d love the idea that he is still supporting Sally even when he’s passed. I feel like he could care less about what the public knows.




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