WTF Podcast

Episode 466 - Marc Spitz

Music journalist Marc Spitz touched a raw nerve with Marc, thanks to his memoir “Poseur.” The two Marcs share more than a name. They share a compulsion for the drugs, the grit and the rock and roll allure of New York City before the new millennium. Spitz says it all led to a character he created for himself while working as a writer for Spin Magazine - a character that was almost his undoing. This episode is sponsored by Comedy Central, Audible and Squarespace


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Goy Who Likes Jews January 30, 2014 at 10:41 am

Good episode, reminds me of the old one with Matt Graham. My vote would be for more episodes like this featuring interesting but non-famous types. Interviews with successful, well-adjusted folks like Andy Samberg are fine, but they’re the standard sort of thing you can find on so many media platforms.

While I’m wishing for stuff, I’d also vote for no more musician interviews.

Roberto Herrera January 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm

Good episode and I love your stuff Marc, but I gotta say that having grown up and lived through those same times in NYC, it tweaks me out a bit to hear underwritten, middle-class manufactured angst celebrated so. There was so much unwanted pain during those days, that was so often stamped down by Koch’s and Il Duce’s forces that it makes me pause when I hear folk choosing to be “more like Billie Holiday or Charlie Parker”. But I should chill I guess, the book is called Poseur after all and Spitz himself admits that he lucked out where a bunch didn’t.

Keep up the awesome work, now I’m gonna be trying to work, while daydreaming about all the crazy shit that went down “back in the day”.

Michael P. Gowdy January 30, 2014 at 2:22 pm

The Seattle kid above who has the baby reminds me of that time in Seattle when the pasty lady yelled out, “HAVE THE BABY” to you, then I rolled my eyes and responded, “Seattle, right?!”
In the fullness of time, who was correct, my brother?
As for this interview, I actually agree with almost everything that was stated in it, but I think that if an alien listened to it (and many of your previous shows) he might think that this thing called the internet is destroying many people’s lives. I can’t think of a single invention that has caused so much widespread change—not even the printing press or TV, really.

Tori January 30, 2014 at 8:53 pm

Marc, (well both marcs) where have you been all my life? This podcast by far is my favourite. Due to a high traffic, loud office I work in, I made myself listen to this episode twice to make sure I heard everthing clearly. I loved it even more so the second time around.

I have dreamt and romantized about NYC in all its phrases and eras since I was a kid. It has been my wonerland and just hearing about NYC in the 80s and 90s thrilled me to bits. But it also sadden me as I’ll never be able to visit that gritty, hardcore NYC that I have only dreamt and read about books and articles. But hearing Marc’s experience I felt I was there in that era, in the chelesa hotel, scared but excited and anixous for the unknown.

Guest January 31, 2014 at 9:18 pm

All week I was expecting Mark Spitz, turns out that’s a different guy.

David Rosen January 31, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Very interesting talk and great to hear one of my top 3 most wanted WTF guests come up in conversation… Ryan Adams. Make it happen!

David February 01, 2014 at 5:09 am

Are you fucking serious, Marc? Of all the dicks you call out from the message board, you call out ‘smitty’ and not the people bullying Patrick Stickles or saying he should kill himself?

I say this with all sincerity, fuck you and your neurosis, and fuck your naval-gazing, “everybody is picking on me” bullshit. Go wax poetic about the good old days. Talk to some more pretentious fucks like this guy who the whole time you could tell was thinking, “Quote this book. Now mention this movie. Now mention one of the biggest bands in rock ‘n’ roll. Now talk about drugs. Quote a book. Talk about hanging out with a band. Now quote a book or movie. Did I mention that I took drugs and hung out with musicians?”

Real fucking enlightening interview. How about that for being a dick?

David February 01, 2014 at 7:15 am

Oh, and finally, because I’m done with this shit board and probably the podcast, when Marc says, “Don’t be dicks,” what he really means is, “Don’t be mean to me or hurt my ego.” Fuck you, Maron and the elitist, late-in-life pricks who post the negative shit you don’t mind.

Michael P. Gowdy February 01, 2014 at 3:18 pm

David, I’m just glad that you’re revealing your true character.
100% validation for me.
Just don’t pull a Mark David Chapman on Marc. It seems like you’re heading in that direction.

J R February 01, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Yeah, I kinda wish Marc called me out too, David. Don’t worry, there’s always next week.

Eric February 02, 2014 at 12:22 am

when i heard maron mention smitty’s name in the outro i knew there’d be a response on this board.  are you guys jealous you didn’t get a mention?  i know i am.  everyone wants a name check, marc.  don’t play favorites with your children!

michael February 02, 2014 at 11:22 am

hahahaha these comments are to good.

carrie February 03, 2014 at 11:38 pm

“IT” is still alive, and plays out in basements and weird spaces across this country every night. “IT” will never die and will continue to re-manifest and play out over an over again till the end of time.

Sorta Totally February 04, 2014 at 8:58 am

Weird hearing people my age talking about my same experiences and knowing some people in common. I don’t know why it would seem so rare. But it do.

Very prolix episode just for Spitz to say:
a)“‘I was really a dick sometimes when I was in my 20s.”
-Everybody feels this way in their 40s-
b) “There are generations and Gen X has different cultural touchstones then Gen Y”
-Well, duh. Ask Wilde (caution, HE’s on your side; not keats/yeats)

Yeah, the Savages are generic but c’mon, Spitz, you of all people know the true underground is healthy and inspiring. What, do you need a list of bands worth checking?

Have read your stuff. Peace on you.

Sorta Totally February 04, 2014 at 9:04 am


smitty February 04, 2014 at 10:01 am

....did Marc Maron actually say Forrest Whitaker, meaning to say Charlie Parker [“Bird”] ?  the presumptive much harder life was led by Parker[ the Sax playing innovator jazz genius] ; not Whitaker, the actor portraying him in the film.  this came up in the beginning , when the two Marc’s were talking about the fantasy of living the life of strung out artists living on the edge.

smitty February 05, 2014 at 5:39 am

  Dear Marc  

        it might be helpful if you were more specific. I apologize if i went somewhere that wasn’t cool with you. I never look for gotcha moments ,i do go off on deliberate tangents ;and, my comment tone varies from serious to a bit off the wall, and all that lies in between. you’ve a right to call me or anyone a dick;but, i just hope you understand that I’m not a “fact-fucking” flamethrowing asshole, looking for some isolated thing, and blowing it up type of guy. I step back and look at the bigger picture. i’ll surmise, that my comment about it not being fair that you look for mr Stanton to redeem your dad for you,pissed you off.  Okay , understandable;however,it’s just an observation , and one that was never intended as shock value ,or to demean you[or any guest] in any manner. I was trying to give you an outside perspective to your dad/son dynamic,so, it’s quite possible that I hit a raw nerve.  I can’t help but sound like i’m pontificating here,and sorry for that;but, perhaps you might want to see why I piss you off,and simply sit with yourself to see what that’s about.  wishing you the best as always….

Dennis Crosby February 23, 2014 at 7:21 am

Lo and behold, the irritatingly smug baby boomer show.

This is the only interview, to date, that I could not finish.

Dennis Crosby's twin March 14, 2014 at 3:35 pm

Have to agree with Dennis. Spitz seemed very pretentious and self-absorbed. This was almost as difficult to listen to as the Elizabeth Banks episode.

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FirstTimeCommenterLongTimeListener June 23, 2014 at 7:53 pm

For whatever reasons, after years of listening etc. etc. this episode just reached me at the perfect time and place. Here we go: thx for everything Markman. Comments here also interesting for a non-US listener.

nonverbatim, here’s the key passage for me, rewinding it like an old Siouxie tape all day long:

MM: I think what it really comes down to, and it’s so f*!@#$&* simple and it’s very flat and it’s incredibly simple… it’s just self-acceptance.
Oddly the switch is just sort of like ‘that was the life I lived and I made some mistakes, you know I apologize where necessary, probably hurt myself a bit, but you know, nothing is gonna f*!@#$&* change that and on some level it got me to where I am now and I’m still alive and I’m doing OK…..
The hardest thing is that forgiveness element, I mean, do you forgive your father?

MS: [sighs] no… not yet, but I would like to, sometimes I think it would be easier if he was just dead
MM: yeah, it’s hard right, they just keep going, the narcissists.
MS: I could forgive him if he’d die
MM: [quick change of subject]