WTF Podcast

Episode 410 - John Cale

Musical virtuoso John Cale gives Marc details on the formation of The Velvet Underground, the creation of The Stooges’ first album and many other seminal moments in rock history. Plus, John tells Marc why he was disappointed in The Velvet Underground reunion and why his latest project has roots in hip hop. This episode is sponsored by Comedy Central and by Click on the radio mic and enter WTF to start a no-risk trial with a $110 bonus offer. 


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DDbbkk July 29, 2013 at 2:51 am

Don’t know if you heard, but JJ Cale passed away two days ago.

smitty July 29, 2013 at 9:22 am

two different cats…..DDbbkk .  john is still here,bud….JJ is gone..

Tad Daniels July 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm


Sam I Am July 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm

I love this interview!  Huge John Cale fan and never heard him laugh before.  Wow Marc, your show just went up a thousand notches to me!
He’s right about the reunion, but everyone has to have courage to take risks.  I always figured
John was the real risk-taker anyway.  Thank you Mr Marrrrrooon.

man July 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm

nookie wood’s on the doorstep

smitty July 29, 2013 at 4:43 pm

interesting,but a bit harder to appreciate unless you know a bit about his life and musical trajectory . this one is a bit “inside baseball” for me, since I never really got into the ‘velvet Underground’ or John Cale.  sorry,just being honest.

  btw- your ‘Captcha’s’ are beastly….uggh….!!

Mark July 29, 2013 at 6:08 pm

You didn’t ask him if he was a cowboy! I was secretly hoping this would become a regular question posed to musician guests. Great interview anyhow.

Joe Tily July 30, 2013 at 2:56 am

Speaking of virtuoso, this was an exemplary interview. Really interesting and enjoyable. Thanks Marc!

loafward July 30, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Near the middle of the examination, I was reminded of that great Fran Lebowitz documentary by Martin Scorsese: in the context of what I do not remember, Cale offers a rather casual appraisal of the word “happy” or “happiness,” to which moments later, either willfully or unconsciously (it’s difficult to know which), Maron repeats the same word in a rather colloquial manner. Lebowitz reminds us that “happiness” and “sadness” are merely transitory sensations, and suffering the undying condition—perhaps Cale’s remark is grounded in this understanding.

smitty July 31, 2013 at 6:30 am

I think that “the pursuit of happiness”, has become an American disease of sorts.  along with, its malevolent step-cousin,the cult of “self-esteem”. these states, can and should evolve out of a life lived. to set them, as primary goals to be achieved, is to commodify emotion, and to cheapen quiet introspection.  in plain English,it’s ass-backwards.

J R August 01, 2013 at 2:21 am

smitty, don’t rock the boat.

smitty August 01, 2013 at 4:44 am

JR-  I hear ya,that tune got too much air-play in the 70’s.  man, what a “hustle”...

dylan August 02, 2013 at 12:55 pm

Amen Smitty. Rock on - and often. I hope JR was offering irony…but this is america, so get ready for disappointment…Your penultimate statement was almost poetic and close to the target. it seems america is not capable of this. Morris Berman says it never has been.  He points out that we have been a “hustling culture” from the beginning. If nothing else, it is a discussion worth having. Inn fact, MM should have MB on the show. It would be great on many levels.

DDbbkk August 03, 2013 at 11:53 pm

My bad, I mixed the two up. Thank you for the correction smitty smile

Brandon McInnis August 09, 2013 at 10:38 am

Cale may have had some reservations about his drug fueled past, his live version of ‘Magazines’ (Rockpalast 1984) is easily one of the most visceral, (drug induced?) songs I have ever had the pleasure of listening to.  Luckily you can watch it to. 
John Cale - Magazines (Rockpalast 1984)

Aida August 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm

This is the suicide forest documentary John Cale is referring to at the end btw:

Patrick September 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm

I have to say, my #1 weakness I’m trying to overcome is reading this stupid goddamned Comments section, above all else the Facebook pillocks who can’t figure out how to skip the pat they don’t like (intro). 
Since I don’t have anything of value to contribute here either, it’s time I stopped commenting mindless frustrations.
Apologies, internet, world.

Patrick September 19, 2013 at 6:44 pm


* parts *  (they don’t like…)

Patrick September 19, 2013 at 6:57 pm

One last thing, for any who insist they cannot wait for the interview to begin, the time mark that you antsy-pantsy troglodytes need to search for is 12:40.